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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Here's the latest version of the Iron Warriors.
Please have a look and let me know if you have any questions, comments or suggestions.
I think the list is getting pretty close to finished.

Iron Warriors V2.5 pdf

Changes to V2.5
23rd February 2014
- Changed the Defiler Assault Pack to a formation of 5 for 400pts
- Added the Stalker upgrade to the Armoured Assault Company, Artillery Company and the Daemonic Artillery
- Changed the Obliterator Cult to 0-1, 4 Obliterators for 350pts
- Added the Warsmith Upgrade to the Dreadnought Assault Pack for 100pts
- Increased the cost of the Ordinatus Medrengard to 625pts
- Corrected a few (more) spelling mistakes
- Changed the Siege Dreadnought FF to – (as it has no ranged weapons)
- Changed the wording and cost of the Emplacements upgrade

Changes to V2.0a
December 2013
- Changed the name of the Defiler Assault Group to Defiler Assault Pack
- Increased the points cost of the Defiler Assault Pack to 275pts
- Reduced the cost of the Chaos Siege Dreadnought to 50pts
- Increased the extra attacks on the Chaos Siege Dreadnought Siege Drill to +2
- Reduced the cost of the Iron Warriors Assault Marines upgrade to 125pts
- Changed the name of the Ordinatus Chaotica to Ordinatus Medrendgard
- Corrected a few spelling mistakes

Changes to V2:
8th September 2013
- Corrected the number of Terminators allowed in in the Ironfist Assault Pod
- Reduced the BP of the Siege Cannon
- Reduced cost of Emplacements
- Corrected the number of shots from the Deathstorm (should always have been 4)
- Changed the weapon stats / name for the Stalker
- Clarified that only one third of the points available to the army can be spent on Navy and Dark Mechanicus units
- Updated the Harbinger armour roll to 5+ Reinforced Armour


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:13 am 
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It looks good at first glance, I'll try make some time to go through it in detail and offer feedback.
Nice work.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:11 am 
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Now that there are 2 lists with the RA Harbinger, I hope the Red Corsairs and BL list also gets that update.

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whats the difference in both lists with the Harbinger?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:32 pm 
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After a game against tue IW today my only issues is the Defilers, too cheap for such a versatile unit...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:29 pm 
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New version (2.5) updated today.

Iron Warriors V2.5 pdf

Changes to V2.5
23rd February 2014
- Changed the Defiler Assault Pack to a formation of 5 for 400pts
- Added the Stalker upgrade to the Armoured Assault Company, Artillery Company and the Daemonic Artillery
- Changed the Obliterator Cult to 0-1, 4 Obliterators for 350pts
- Added the Warsmith Upgrade to the Dreadnought Assault Pack for 100pts
- Increased the cost of the Ordinatus Medrengard to 625pts
- Corrected a few (more) spelling mistakes
- Changed the Siege Dreadnought FF to – (as it has no ranged weapons)
- Changed the wording and cost of the Emplacements upgrade

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:35 pm 
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- Changed the Defiler Assault Pack to a formation of 5 for 400pts
Interesting change! Is this the same cost but just a 5 pack? I think I like this for the Orc matchup!
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- Added the Stalker upgrade to the Armoured Assault Company, Artillery Company and the Daemonic Artillery
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo (deep breath) ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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- Changed the Obliterator Cult to 0-1, 4 Obliterators for 350pts
I've never faced these but they sure sound nasty!
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- Added the Warsmith Upgrade to the Dreadnought Assault Pack for 100pts
Awesome! I like it when little used units get upgrades that make them more desirable!
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- Increased the cost of the Ordinatus Medrengard to 625pts
I hope this is the last change to your favourite toy!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:29 pm 
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So does anyone have any comments/complaints if the following changes are applied:
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- Moved the Havoc Company to the Core section and increased to 325pts
- Moved the Iron Warriors Company to the Siege Assault section
- Increased the Defiler Assault Pack to 425pts
- Removed various formation upgrades that were unnecessary/seldom used
- Fixed a couple of typos on the Siege Lord Titan
I don't want to mess any players around that have already started building their armies. That said, I think this is getting pretty close to balanced/finished.

Any comments/thoughts would be gladly appreciated!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:06 pm 
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Thanks for the update, you've really fine-tuned that list!

I don't have a strong view on any of the changes, but can play devil's advocate with the questions I expect you'll have to field sooner or later. :D

The swapping of Havocs to Core and Iron Warriors Company to assault is interesting. If havocs are better (2x Autocannons, better FF) and can host the supreme commander, wouldn't this make the Iron Warriors Company likely to be a far less common selection?

Also isn't this now a much cheaper Core formation; Havocs look more expensive at 325 vs 300 for IWC, but havocs are ready to roll in landraiders while IWC require transport upgrades to make them relevant.


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To add context, I'll quote my post from Tactical Command:
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I played a game over the weekend with a mate. He used the latest Tau 6.6 list and it ended in a 2:1 win to the Iron Warriors (BTS, TnH - BTS). The result was heavily influenced by the Tau only rallying one broken formation for the entire game...
More about that later.

I asked my opponent for his thoughts on the Iron Warriors list and this is a copy of his PM to me (used with his permission) :
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1. Defilers are nasty enmasse 6 per unit is good in that it cuts down the potential activation abuse that was possible with the unit size of 4. I would look at giving them a price bump to 425pts as the effectiveness (especially in combat) of a unit of 6 compared to 4 deserves imho a little bit of a bump in price especially when they are a core formation. The 425 I cant see is going to stop people from taking the but it will alter what else appears in lists (as I have realised so far in my short epic career 25 pts can make big differences in how you build a list) I also dont mind them being 420pts as well.

2. I cant see the point at all with the normal Iron Warriors company, its something I would never take. They arent bad per say but they are superflous in this list.

3. Super Heavies I would like to see moved into the Dark Mechanicus area

That is honestly where I can see possible changes happening and it being accepted considering the advanced status of the list number 1 is what I would primarily push for and beleive that will alter some list construction which is an added benefit. If it were carte blanche I would also like to do the following pieces of reorganising but dont see them as essential just imposing a few restrictions on composition.

Iron Warriors company - give them all rhinos and move them from core to seige assault
Havoc Company - bump to 325 and move to core (they are still discounted from the BL list but more to core means a slight bump)

Apart from that it looks quite alright, stalkers in general are a boon for the list over the BL list and I am very jealous at the option but I think I have found a good work around now. Everything else seems to balance itself fine over the restriction of availability.
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I understand your comments mate.

The cost bump on the Defilers is understandable. The extra 25pts is a big thing though (as you mentioned). This list struggles for activations as it is (an engineered situation), if the big toys are taken. The EpicUK list still has them for 4/275pts but I don't think I've seen them used over there yet for a comparison.

I fully agree with your comments on the Iron Warriors Company. I'd like to see them swapped with the Havocs.

The issue with moving the super-heavies is that aren't actually allied to the Iron Warriors. they are driven/crewed by the Iron Warriors themselves and are not part of the Dark Mechanicus. Fluff/background says they should stay where they are. The Black Legion list changed because it wasn't considered fluffy for an all War Engine/Armoured Vehicle list but with the Iron Warriors, this is actually quite acceptable. I'll see what others say once I post this all up.

With the other suggestions in mind, Iron Warrior Companies do have access to Rhinos (@ 10pts each). Do you mean give them 4 Rhinos for free?
I would be happy to see them swapped with the Havocs as mentioned earlier.
The 25pts price bump on the Havocs is fine with me (as a core formation).

I've been thinking about trimming some of the upgrades to formations.
Things like the Chaos Dreadnought and Defiler upgrades to the Terminators seem unnecessary.
Again the Chaos Dreadnought upgrade to the Raptors and Havocs seems silly.
Adding Basilisk to the super-heavy tanks doesn't really fit in. These were all in the list before I took over.
I'm posting this up here to stimulate some discussion.
Anyone have any thoughts on all of this?

Iron Within! ;D

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Steve.
It was originally Liam's suggestion and I thought it had merit.
Iron Warrior Companies are just rarely if ever used at the moment. I have 3 and almost always try to find somewhere else to put the Warsmith.
Havocs are an Iron Warriors thing.
Believe it or not, but it actually may result in less Defilers being taken!
When building a list, I start with 2 Defiler Packs (core) and a Havoc Company (Siege Assault). With the Havoc move, I could take 1 Defiler Pack/Havoc Company and get access to the same amount of support formations as I do now.

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