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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:57 pm 
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Hi,

I started playing WarMachine, specifically Retribution of Scyrah, around September last year and whilst I still may not be the best I'm enjoying it but I feel like I'm having a real problem with the hobby/painting side of it. I quite frankly seem to suck at painting miniatures, warjacks or pretty much anything that's small.

I'd prefer to be able to paint my own mini's to be able to have some pride in what I'm letting the person the other side of the table remove from play with a roll of their dice, rather than pay for someone else to paint them, but I'm not adverse to "paying" someone with some beers or whatever to "help me" get my head around what appears to be my complete lack of artistic ability. I'm not after award winning levels here, I'm talking happily mid-range tabletop acceptable.

I've tried to do loads of research, watched all the you-tube videos I can find, got hold of PP's painting dvd and quite frankly I seem to have gotten worse. I know it could be a thing of trying to do too much or too complicated techniques too soon and too much information/guidance steering me wrong, but still it's quite depressing.

Is there anybody who could help me? Either by literally sitting me down and showing me what to do, or what I'm doing wrong or something...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:47 pm 
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You chose a tough place to start! Large, flat and smooth surfaces are really difficult when you are starting. I've been painting for years and I avoid it.

Have you got any pics of what you've done so far? You can PM me if you don't want to put them out in public.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:27 pm 
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I think you are on the right track by wanting people there to guide, especially when you are new to hobby side of things. But Pete is right flat things are a pain to paint, also so is yellow and white (these colours you should avoid when starting).
Though if you are keen next month I don't mind sitting down one Tuesday night at Outpost to paint if you want, not going to say my stuff is award winning but it's a start.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:02 am 
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I'm by no means the best painter out there, and there are way better qualified people to answer this than myself.

My comments for what there worth;
As above. Large flat areas can be hard. My best advice would be to go with colours that have good pigmentation, use a wet pallet to help keep paint smooth and concentrate on getting flat colours on neatly.

A neatly painted figure in flat colours will look much better then trying more complex techniques and ending up with a less the neat figure.

Spend the time to clean up and properly prepare your figure for painting. I know a lot of people say that you should use a white undercoat for light colours and a black undercoat for others. This is not always true and a black undercoat is more forgiving then a white one.

If you do fond that you need to paint difficult colours like yellow and White then start with other colours and highlight from there.
For yellows try starting with a flesh coloured base, for whites start with grey.

Happy to help if I can.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:29 am 
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Thanks for the replies guys,

I wasn't using a wet pallete to start with, but I bought one a month or so ago and in all honestly, it seems to have made things harder... Maybe I've got too much water in the wet pallete and it's watering the paints down too much or something, not sure.

I have only been using a black primer up until now, but seeing as I'm about to start painting some Dawnguard, who are mainly armour I thought it might be a good idea to prime white and then try and add shading. And each model has been washed and trimmed as well as I could manage prior to gluing.

I'll link some pics so you can see where I was at in Septemeber and where I'm at now.

The first couple, Kaelyssa and the Mage Hunter Assasin are from September, but the Souless Escort and the Halberdiers are from after from slightly later.
http://imgur.com/a/znMlN

I was trying to go for the same style of clean white with no other real colours as the Ret on Combo Smite: http://combosmite.com/category/painting ... ing-table/, but the whole paint it white then use a dark wash didn't really go to well, so I'm having to essentially repaint the jacks white again...
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I think you are on the right track by wanting people there to guide, especially when you are new to hobby side of things. But Pete is right flat things are a pain to paint, also so is yellow and white (these colours you should avoid when starting).
Though if you are keen next month I don't mind sitting down one Tuesday night at Outpost to paint if you want, not going to say my stuff is award winning but it's a start.
I live in Landsdale so getting to Outpost can be a bit of a challenge after work, but I think it might be an idea.


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If it's any consolation, you've probably chosen to paint very difficult models with a very difficult colour scheme!

White is really difficult to paint well. I would definitely start with a white undercoat and shade it, or as Hutch suggest, paint it with a stronger colour (such as grey) and then layer white over the top. You have to have a very light touch with white, it is very unforgiving. Any mistakes really show up.

Are you set on doing the white scheme? There are others you could use that might be easier when you're starting out.

In relation to the other non-white sections, have you played around with washes much? A dark brown wash (I use Army Painter strong tone) can really help with the green sections, and the skin.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:25 am 
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There is a shortcut...have you tried Army Painter Warpaints Strong Tone or Soft Tone?

It does help with 50% of most painting issues (the other 50% is painting neatly, which require practices ;) ).


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In all honesty, Ive seen and done worse first attempts. I know that you probably dont want to hear this because it means dumping more money but getting an airbrush is a fantastic shortcut to painting Warjacks. They make big flat areas very easy to paint.

As for technique, as everyone else has already said, white is a pain to paint. I suggest getting a very light grey, watering it down a lot (near translucent) and running it in to the cracks and recesses of the jack, then lightly watering down the white and putting on multiple thin layerS. its time consuming but will result in a smoother colour.

As for the Strong Tones, maybe not. The Army Painter shades tend to push the model towards warmer tones and it will change the look of the white from white through to tan.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:43 am 
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As the others have said washes are amazing, so it might be worth investing in as they do bring out that detail. Though what the others haven't said in regards to this is that they come in a range of colours, most people end up mainly using a black and a brown but there are other colours as well like blue, green, yellow, red and so on. Also you could replace the grey paint to a really watered down wash for the white, also you may want to highlight after. Also do you have a lamp? I find they help me a lot to illuminating the detail for highlighting and shading.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:47 pm 
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Thanks again for the comments guys, these are all really helpful!

I bought the Army Painter ink wash set, which has stong, soft, dark, red, blue, purple, green tones it. And that's what I've tried to use to do some shading on the green cloaks and failed at trying to shade in the grooves, haven't gotten to the faces yet.

But it might be a case of setting myself too high a target, looking at some of the photos that are shared on various forums/websites, these people have been doing it for a lot longer and probably have a lot better skill levels than me even when they had just started.

Looking at these: https://www.flickr.com/photos/99181516@N02/ it looks amazing, but then when you see a close up http://s8.photobucket.com/user/OnDaHill ... machine/#! I feel it's only slightly better than my attempts. (He said he drybrushed white over a grey undercoat and light blue over a dark blue and blue wash over normal silver.)

So I think I just need to get my arse in gear and try a few things, maybe invest in some simply green to be able to strip the various attempts once I find one that I feel like can work for me.

I think I might try priming using white and then shading with a bit more prescision and also trying drybrushing white on to a black primed jack.


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I can relate - I started from a really, really bad painting base (so much so that I referred to my painting as "colouring in"). I made a resolution last year to actively try and improve myself, so I trawled the interwebs for any kind of tutorial that I could find. After 6 months or so I managed to get to a stage where I am happy with my abilities (I would probably describe them as a step below what most people would consider to be "Showcase").

The following videos from GirlPainting really helped me on my journey, so maybe they might prove useful to you:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv8hOWPQy78

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jYAj5M ... Od_kYwegnM

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G64Tob ... Od_kYwegnM

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUjLFqj ... Od_kYwegnM

If these prove helpful to you, then here full tutorial range is here:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PNLr2U ... E05E89D972

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:27 pm 
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As others have already suggested, painting white can be tricky. When painting white armor, I found priming either grey or white a lot less time-consuming than black, as you don't have to paint many thin layers of white (and wait for it to dry) over the black.

It also depends what kind of look you are after, warm or cold white:
Warm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00QK8aMb-Xk
Cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwaaFsgnQo

Another tutorial:
http://handcannononline.com/blog/2011/0 ... ing-white/

What kind of brush type/size are you using by the way?


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Where abouts in Perth are you and where do you play?

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Where abouts in Perth are you and where do you play?
I'm in Landsdale and I tend to play at Good Games St James on a Wednesday night.

I'm currently re-thinking the white colour scheme due to impending purchases of a mainly painted army. It'll probably be red, as it's Churchless's Ret that he was selling.


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